Thanks... but you don't say why the codecs supplied with the operating
system take a back seat to the 3rd party ones when they get installed. Seems
that stronger operating system management of codecs would be a step toward
resolving things, and would be an appropriate thing to expect from an
operating system..

And what WMP shows for the video codec isn't an idle question... I'd much
prefer having WMP tell me what it's using than to have to check the file
with GSpot or another utility and guess what WMP is using. And I'm using the
pointer in WMP to tell me what Movie Maker is using, as the properties of
the files in MM don't include the codec used.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn


"zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23FBSmXSZIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:OBwef9RZIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>> One of the many things I don't understand about operating systems and
>> codecs is why, if Quartz.dll is Microsoft's good decoder for Motion JPEG
>> files and comes with my Vista system, why doesn't Vista manage the codec
>> priorities such that Quartz is used by WMP and Movie Maker even if
>> ffdshow and PICVideo codecs are installed and given permission to be used
>> as needed.
>
> It's been generally assumed that if you install a codec, it's for a good
> reason. That assumption has blown up in user's faces since the advent of
> the hideous and embarassingly shoddy world of codec packs.
>
>> It's hard to believe a codec from a third party can step in front of the
>> one preferred by Vista, and the operating system will accept it without
>> getting me the user involved. Among Quartz, ffdshow and PICVideo, the
>> most polite one is ffdshow when it asks if it should be used once, all
>> the time, or not. The other two don't ask.
>
> FFDShow has gotten better. They've made their mistakes too. FFDShow
> 1.0.0.1 and other early/broken versions are still out there breaking
> people. This is why I try to exclusively use the term "FFDShow Tryouts",
> referring to the sustained tree that fixes up most of the FFDShow
> problems.
>
> You're hinting at a much larger problem affecting all of DirectShow as the
> field becomes terrorized by incompetent installers and beta or alpha grade
> filters. The right people are looking at this non-trivial problem. I'm
> trying to coax things back to more "normal", but the rampant third party
> codec pack incompetence has really dealt a fairly crushing blow to the
> multimedia ecosystem. Having the average user living on the bleeding edge
> is causing massive problems. When I look at SP1 crash data and see a
> third party codec atop the crashes for almost every multimedia
> component... that's pretty depressing.
>
>> On a slightly different subject, when a Motion JPEG file is open in WMP,
>> the file properties show the video codec when either ffdshow or PICVideo
>> is being used, but it offers no info about the codec being used when it's
>> Quartz... why is that?
>
> I haven't looked into that code chain for a while. If it's important, I
> could, but I suspect it's an idle question.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>

There is a little bit of progress to report -- I downloaded ffdshow tryouts;
at least the subject files now play in Windows Media Player. Not yet in
Windows Media Center, not yet in Windows Movie Maker.

GSpot showed that ffdshowtryouts added six codecs (4 video & 2 audio) and
went from 233 codecs to 239 codecs.

PJ -- applaud your theme to demystify codecs!


"PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:%23we2h1IZIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> John,
>
> Working backwards, I see...
>
> ffdshow.ax is used as the default decompressor on my Vista Home Basic
> laptop when playing Motion JPEG files from my Canon SureShot SD750 camera.
>
> I had added ffdshow to that computer to play Xvid files. When I take it
> out of the picture, the file is decompressed by pvmjpeg30.dll (PIC Video
> Decompressor)... I don't know where it came from as it's not on my Vista
> Ultimate system or on my XP laptop.
>
> If I then take that out of the picture also, when I try to open the Motion
> JPEG file in WMP or MM6... for some reason Pinnacle's Video Spin starts
> going through a setup process. Maybe that's a clue that it brought
> pvmjpeg30.dll in when I installed it.
>
> As I haven't installed Video Spin or hardly anything else on my Vista
> Ultimate SP1 beta system, the MJPEG file still plays in WMP and MM6...
> with no WMP pointer to the video decompressor being used. GSpot's checks
> and tests indicates it's quartz.dll doing the decompression.
>
> Codecs need more understanding by average users... I've made it my theme
> for this year to study them and provide practical info.
> --
> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>
> PapaJohn
>
>
> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:OjtqvwHZIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Zach -- The URL that Web Help takes me to is:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...nalid=80004005
>>
>> PapaJohn -- the pvmjpeg30.dll file is not in my System32 folder or
>> elsewhere
>> on my hard drive. I googled a bit for it and there are references to
>> 'pvmjpg30.dll' (without the e), but that is not on my hard drive either.
>> The main reference is to a site for
>> Pegasus Imaging and they call it PICVIDEO and they want $39 to download
>> it.
>> Are you thinking it is something that should have come with WMP
>> Microsoft?
>>
>> "PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
>> news:OcS%23ZyGZIHA.4284@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>I agree that a fix is better than a work-around... if I take my ffdshow
>>>codec out of the picture, MJPEG files still play.
>>>
>>> WMP plays them with pvmjpeg30.dll file in the system32 folder... check
>>> that it's there and try re-registering it in case it slipped a gear.
>>> --
>>> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>>>
>>> PapaJohn
>>>
>>>
>>> "zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uTawOgGZIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> What's the URL that Web Help takes you to?
>>>>
>>>> There's already an MJPEG codec on the system. It should work.
>>>> PapaJohn's suggestion might help you replace it if needed though, but
>>>> that shouldn't be needed.
>>>> AVI vs avi doesn't matter - the system is case-insensitive here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Speaking for myself only.
>>>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights.
>>>> --
>>>> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:esWycIFZIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I have a Canon S3IS digital camera which can take movies. The movies
>>>>>show
>>>>> an .AVI extension and (I think) use an MJPEG codec. After
>>>>> transferring
>>>>> the
>>>>> movie files to my (Vista) hard drive, their behavior is erratic:
>>>>>
>>>>> - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Player. The WMP
>>>>> error
>>>>> message is: "Windows Media Player encountered a problem while
>>>>> playing
>>>>> the
>>>>> file". Clicking on Web Help reveals: "You've encountered error
>>>>> message
>>>>> C00D11B1 while using Windows Media Player."
>>>>>
>>>>> - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Center; WMC says
>>>>> "Cannot
>>>>> Play Video - Windows Media Center cannot open the file".
>>>>>
>>>>> - If I import the files into Windows Movie Maker, WMM appears to play
>>>>> them,
>>>>> but the preview screen is black.
>>>>>
>>>>> - GSpot reports that the file is a Motion JPEG, and that "Codec(s) are
>>>>> Installed".
>>>>>
>>>>> - The movie files *will* play using Canon's ZoomBrowser EX program
>>>>> (came
>>>>> with the camera).
>>>>>
>>>>> Related Info:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Both WMP & WMC play my .wmv files just fine. I also have one .avi
>>>>> file from a different source which plays fine.
>>>>> - The file extension on the AVI files that will not play is .AVI
>>>>> (capitalized); the file extension on the avi file that will play is
>>>>> .avi
>>>>> (lower case) -- probably does not matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will appreciate clues on where to look to solve the issue. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

"PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:eCwpzfSZIHA.5396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Thanks... but you don't say why the codecs supplied with the operating
> system take a back seat to the 3rd party ones when they get installed.
> Seems that stronger operating system management of codecs would be a step
> toward resolving things, and would be an appropriate thing to expect from
> an operating system..

You're right, I did not discuss the filter merit system, which is available
for look up on MSDN. That's been around since I believe DirectShow first
existed back (previous to 1996?). Belligerant and bad filters are a *very*
recent phenonemon. The right people are aware of this issue. In the
interim, there's a variety of third party filter management systems
available.

The easiest correct solution is probably not to install random bad software
on a machine. ;-)

This area sucks. The right people are aware of it. It sucks because you
have bad filters being installed by incompetent installers. I was going to
make a comment about the Windows codec management system, but then I
realized that wasn't fair because there really hasn't been a good
(Microsoft) one ever. The right people are aware of this. Don't install
random codecs.

> And what WMP shows for the video codec isn't an idle question... I'd much
> prefer having WMP tell me what it's using than to have to check the file
> with GSpot or another utility and guess what WMP is using. And I'm using
> the pointer in WMP to tell me what Movie Maker is using, as the properties
> of the files in MM don't include the codec used.

IIRC, it's abstracted out - there's no "DirectShow::WhatCodecAmIUsing();"
method that I'm aware of. Patrick looked into this a while ago, I'll
mention it to him next time we have lunch together.

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

thanks John.... the first of my newsletters in this new series, "About
Codecs - Part 1 of ??", is going out in an hour. It'll commit me to the
learning and additional parts of the series.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn


"John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:OlOflmTZIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> There is a little bit of progress to report -- I downloaded ffdshow
> tryouts;
> at least the subject files now play in Windows Media Player. Not yet in
> Windows Media Center, not yet in Windows Movie Maker.
>
> GSpot showed that ffdshowtryouts added six codecs (4 video & 2 audio) and
> went from 233 codecs to 239 codecs.
>
> PJ -- applaud your theme to demystify codecs!
>
>
> "PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:%23we2h1IZIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> John,
>>
>> Working backwards, I see...
>>
>> ffdshow.ax is used as the default decompressor on my Vista Home Basic
>> laptop when playing Motion JPEG files from my Canon SureShot SD750
>> camera.
>>
>> I had added ffdshow to that computer to play Xvid files. When I take it
>> out of the picture, the file is decompressed by pvmjpeg30.dll (PIC Video
>> Decompressor)... I don't know where it came from as it's not on my Vista
>> Ultimate system or on my XP laptop.
>>
>> If I then take that out of the picture also, when I try to open the
>> Motion
>> JPEG file in WMP or MM6... for some reason Pinnacle's Video Spin starts
>> going through a setup process. Maybe that's a clue that it brought
>> pvmjpeg30.dll in when I installed it.
>>
>> As I haven't installed Video Spin or hardly anything else on my Vista
>> Ultimate SP1 beta system, the MJPEG file still plays in WMP and MM6...
>> with no WMP pointer to the video decompressor being used. GSpot's checks
>> and tests indicates it's quartz.dll doing the decompression.
>>
>> Codecs need more understanding by average users... I've made it my theme
>> for this year to study them and provide practical info.
>> --
>> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>>
>> PapaJohn
>>
>>
>> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:OjtqvwHZIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Zach -- The URL that Web Help takes me to is:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...nalid=80004005
>>>
>>> PapaJohn -- the pvmjpeg30.dll file is not in my System32 folder or
>>> elsewhere
>>> on my hard drive. I googled a bit for it and there are references to
>>> 'pvmjpg30.dll' (without the e), but that is not on my hard drive either.
>>> The main reference is to a site for
>>> Pegasus Imaging and they call it PICVIDEO and they want $39 to download
>>> it.
>>> Are you thinking it is something that should have come with WMP
>>> Microsoft?
>>>
>>> "PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OcS%23ZyGZIHA.4284@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>I agree that a fix is better than a work-around... if I take my ffdshow
>>>>codec out of the picture, MJPEG files still play.
>>>>
>>>> WMP plays them with pvmjpeg30.dll file in the system32 folder... check
>>>> that it's there and try re-registering it in case it slipped a gear.
>>>> --
>>>> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>>>>
>>>> PapaJohn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uTawOgGZIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the URL that Web Help takes you to?
>>>>>
>>>>> There's already an MJPEG codec on the system. It should work.
>>>>> PapaJohn's suggestion might help you replace it if needed though, but
>>>>> that shouldn't be needed.
>>>>> AVI vs avi doesn't matter - the system is case-insensitive here.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Speaking for myself only.
>>>>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>> rights.
>>>>> --
>>>>> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:esWycIFZIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>I have a Canon S3IS digital camera which can take movies. The
>>>>>>movies
>>>>>>show
>>>>>> an .AVI extension and (I think) use an MJPEG codec. After
>>>>>> transferring
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> movie files to my (Vista) hard drive, their behavior is erratic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Player. The WMP
>>>>>> error
>>>>>> message is: "Windows Media Player encountered a problem while
>>>>>> playing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> file". Clicking on Web Help reveals: "You've encountered error
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> C00D11B1 while using Windows Media Player."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Center; WMC says
>>>>>> "Cannot
>>>>>> Play Video - Windows Media Center cannot open the file".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - If I import the files into Windows Movie Maker, WMM appears to play
>>>>>> them,
>>>>>> but the preview screen is black.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - GSpot reports that the file is a Motion JPEG, and that "Codec(s)
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> Installed".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - The movie files *will* play using Canon's ZoomBrowser EX program
>>>>>> (came
>>>>>> with the camera).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Related Info:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Both WMP & WMC play my .wmv files just fine. I also have one .avi
>>>>>> file from a different source which plays fine.
>>>>>> - The file extension on the AVI files that will not play is .AVI
>>>>>> (capitalized); the file extension on the avi file that will play is
>>>>>> .avi
>>>>>> (lower case) -- probably does not matter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will appreciate clues on where to look to solve the issue. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

thanks... I'll search for such filter management systems. In all my years of
working with Movie Maker, I've not come across anything that is a tool for
users rather than programmers.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn


"zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23e0iV%23TZIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:eCwpzfSZIHA.5396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks... but you don't say why the codecs supplied with the operating
>> system take a back seat to the 3rd party ones when they get installed.
>> Seems that stronger operating system management of codecs would be a step
>> toward resolving things, and would be an appropriate thing to expect from
>> an operating system..
>
> You're right, I did not discuss the filter merit system, which is
> available for look up on MSDN. That's been around since I believe
> DirectShow first existed back (previous to 1996?). Belligerant and bad
> filters are a *very* recent phenonemon. The right people are aware of
> this issue. In the interim, there's a variety of third party filter
> management systems available.
>
> The easiest correct solution is probably not to install random bad
> software on a machine. ;-)
>
> This area sucks. The right people are aware of it. It sucks because you
> have bad filters being installed by incompetent installers. I was going
> to make a comment about the Windows codec management system, but then I
> realized that wasn't fair because there really hasn't been a good
> (Microsoft) one ever. The right people are aware of this. Don't install
> random codecs.
>
>> And what WMP shows for the video codec isn't an idle question... I'd much
>> prefer having WMP tell me what it's using than to have to check the file
>> with GSpot or another utility and guess what WMP is using. And I'm using
>> the pointer in WMP to tell me what Movie Maker is using, as the
>> properties of the files in MM don't include the codec used.
>
> IIRC, it's abstracted out - there's no "DirectShow::WhatCodecAmIUsing();"
> method that I'm aware of. Patrick looked into this a while ago, I'll
> mention it to him next time we have lunch together.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>

Right, I'm pretty unaware of any filter management systems that are designed
to be used by an average user. This is not a "average user" area. This is
why the proliferation of bad codecs, filters, and codec packs is so
dangerous. This was never designed to be toyed with by the average user.
The whole system assumes that developers were going to be responsible. =\

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--

"PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:u7BJ6fWZIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> thanks... I'll search for such filter management systems. In all my years
> of working with Movie Maker, I've not come across anything that is a tool
> for users rather than programmers.
>
> --
> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>
> PapaJohn
>
>
> "zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23e0iV%23TZIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "PapaJohn" <papajohn@chartermi.net> wrote in message
>> news:eCwpzfSZIHA.5396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks... but you don't say why the codecs supplied with the operating
>>> system take a back seat to the 3rd party ones when they get installed.
>>> Seems that stronger operating system management of codecs would be a
>>> step toward resolving things, and would be an appropriate thing to
>>> expect from an operating system..
>>
>> You're right, I did not discuss the filter merit system, which is
>> available for look up on MSDN. That's been around since I believe
>> DirectShow first existed back (previous to 1996?). Belligerant and bad
>> filters are a *very* recent phenonemon. The right people are aware of
>> this issue. In the interim, there's a variety of third party filter
>> management systems available.
>>
>> The easiest correct solution is probably not to install random bad
>> software on a machine. ;-)
>>
>> This area sucks. The right people are aware of it. It sucks because you
>> have bad filters being installed by incompetent installers. I was going
>> to make a comment about the Windows codec management system, but then I
>> realized that wasn't fair because there really hasn't been a good
>> (Microsoft) one ever. The right people are aware of this. Don't install
>> random codecs.
>>
>>> And what WMP shows for the video codec isn't an idle question... I'd
>>> much prefer having WMP tell me what it's using than to have to check the
>>> file with GSpot or another utility and guess what WMP is using. And I'm
>>> using the pointer in WMP to tell me what Movie Maker is using, as the
>>> properties of the files in MM don't include the codec used.
>>
>> IIRC, it's abstracted out - there's no "DirectShow::WhatCodecAmIUsing();"
>> method that I'm aware of. Patrick looked into this a while ago, I'll
>> mention it to him next time we have lunch together.
>>
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>>
>
>

I have various videos shot with Canon Powershot digital cameras. When I
watch them in WMP11 on Vista Home Premium, I hear sound and see video, but
the video is green! Zach, you say that there is a decoder built in (Quartz),
but I can find no such file. The only additional codec I've installed is
divX (in an attempt to fix this).

Any ideas on resolving this issue?

Thanks,
Davin


"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:

>
> What's the URL that Web Help takes you to?
>
> There's already an MJPEG codec on the system. It should work. PapaJohn's
> suggestion might help you replace it if needed though, but that shouldn't be
> needed.
> AVI vs avi doesn't matter - the system is case-insensitive here.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:esWycIFZIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >I have a Canon S3IS digital camera which can take movies. The movies
> >show
> > an .AVI extension and (I think) use an MJPEG codec. After transferring
> > the
> > movie files to my (Vista) hard drive, their behavior is erratic:
> >
> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Player. The WMP
> > error
> > message is: "Windows Media Player encountered a problem while playing
> > the
> > file". Clicking on Web Help reveals: "You've encountered error message
> > C00D11B1 while using Windows Media Player."
> >
> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Center; WMC says
> > "Cannot
> > Play Video - Windows Media Center cannot open the file".
> >
> > - If I import the files into Windows Movie Maker, WMM appears to play
> > them,
> > but the preview screen is black.
> >
> > - GSpot reports that the file is a Motion JPEG, and that "Codec(s) are
> > Installed".
> >
> > - The movie files *will* play using Canon's ZoomBrowser EX program (came
> > with the camera).
> >
> > Related Info:
> >
> > - Both WMP & WMC play my .wmv files just fine. I also have one .avi file
> > from a different source which plays fine.
> > - The file extension on the AVI files that will not play is .AVI
> > (capitalized); the file extension on the avi file that will play is .avi
> > (lower case) -- probably does not matter?
> >
> > Will appreciate clues on where to look to solve the issue. Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>
>

quartz.dll is in the c:\Windows\System32 folder
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"davinwv" <davinwv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:22F81C8F-40D3-43F3-A585-635E42184AF9@microsoft.com...
>I have various videos shot with Canon Powershot digital cameras. When I
> watch them in WMP11 on Vista Home Premium, I hear sound and see video, but
> the video is green! Zach, you say that there is a decoder built in
> (Quartz),
> but I can find no such file. The only additional codec I've installed is
> divX (in an attempt to fix this).
>
> Any ideas on resolving this issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Davin
>
>
> "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>>
>> What's the URL that Web Help takes you to?
>>
>> There's already an MJPEG codec on the system. It should work.
>> PapaJohn's
>> suggestion might help you replace it if needed though, but that shouldn't
>> be
>> needed.
>> AVI vs avi doesn't matter - the system is case-insensitive here.
>>
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:esWycIFZIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >I have a Canon S3IS digital camera which can take movies. The movies
>> >show
>> > an .AVI extension and (I think) use an MJPEG codec. After
>> > transferring
>> > the
>> > movie files to my (Vista) hard drive, their behavior is erratic:
>> >
>> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Player. The WMP
>> > error
>> > message is: "Windows Media Player encountered a problem while playing
>> > the
>> > file". Clicking on Web Help reveals: "You've encountered error message
>> > C00D11B1 while using Windows Media Player."
>> >
>> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Center; WMC says
>> > "Cannot
>> > Play Video - Windows Media Center cannot open the file".
>> >
>> > - If I import the files into Windows Movie Maker, WMM appears to play
>> > them,
>> > but the preview screen is black.
>> >
>> > - GSpot reports that the file is a Motion JPEG, and that "Codec(s) are
>> > Installed".
>> >
>> > - The movie files *will* play using Canon's ZoomBrowser EX program
>> > (came
>> > with the camera).
>> >
>> > Related Info:
>> >
>> > - Both WMP & WMC play my .wmv files just fine. I also have one .avi
>> > file
>> > from a different source which plays fine.
>> > - The file extension on the AVI files that will not play is .AVI
>> > (capitalized); the file extension on the avi file that will play is
>> > .avi
>> > (lower case) -- probably does not matter?
>> >
>> > Will appreciate clues on where to look to solve the issue. Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

If you already had video (green or not), you have a decoder available on the
system.

What video card do you have? Is there a driver update available?

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"davinwv" <davinwv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:22F81C8F-40D3-43F3-A585-635E42184AF9@microsoft.com...
>I have various videos shot with Canon Powershot digital cameras. When I
> watch them in WMP11 on Vista Home Premium, I hear sound and see video, but
> the video is green! Zach, you say that there is a decoder built in
> (Quartz),
> but I can find no such file. The only additional codec I've installed is
> divX (in an attempt to fix this).
>
> Any ideas on resolving this issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Davin
>
>
> "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>>
>> What's the URL that Web Help takes you to?
>>
>> There's already an MJPEG codec on the system. It should work.
>> PapaJohn's
>> suggestion might help you replace it if needed though, but that shouldn't
>> be
>> needed.
>> AVI vs avi doesn't matter - the system is case-insensitive here.
>>
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:esWycIFZIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >I have a Canon S3IS digital camera which can take movies. The movies
>> >show
>> > an .AVI extension and (I think) use an MJPEG codec. After
>> > transferring
>> > the
>> > movie files to my (Vista) hard drive, their behavior is erratic:
>> >
>> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Player. The WMP
>> > error
>> > message is: "Windows Media Player encountered a problem while playing
>> > the
>> > file". Clicking on Web Help reveals: "You've encountered error message
>> > C00D11B1 while using Windows Media Player."
>> >
>> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Center; WMC says
>> > "Cannot
>> > Play Video - Windows Media Center cannot open the file".
>> >
>> > - If I import the files into Windows Movie Maker, WMM appears to play
>> > them,
>> > but the preview screen is black.
>> >
>> > - GSpot reports that the file is a Motion JPEG, and that "Codec(s) are
>> > Installed".
>> >
>> > - The movie files *will* play using Canon's ZoomBrowser EX program
>> > (came
>> > with the camera).
>> >
>> > Related Info:
>> >
>> > - Both WMP & WMC play my .wmv files just fine. I also have one .avi
>> > file
>> > from a different source which plays fine.
>> > - The file extension on the AVI files that will not play is .AVI
>> > (capitalized); the file extension on the avi file that will play is
>> > .avi
>> > (lower case) -- probably does not matter?
>> >
>> > Will appreciate clues on where to look to solve the issue. Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

I have an nvidia GeForce 7600GT running the latest drivers (from 12/2007).

Here is another piece to the puzzle:
If I play the video from within Windows Photo Gallery, it plays with the
correct colors.
If I play the video from within Windows Live Photo Gallery, it plays green.
If I play the video from within WiMP11, it plays green.

Any ideas?
Davin


"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:

>
> If you already had video (green or not), you have a decoder available on the
> system.
>
> What video card do you have? Is there a driver update available?
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
>
> "davinwv" <davinwv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:22F81C8F-40D3-43F3-A585-635E42184AF9@microsoft.com...
> >I have various videos shot with Canon Powershot digital cameras. When I
> > watch them in WMP11 on Vista Home Premium, I hear sound and see video, but
> > the video is green! Zach, you say that there is a decoder built in
> > (Quartz),
> > but I can find no such file. The only additional codec I've installed is
> > divX (in an attempt to fix this).
> >
> > Any ideas on resolving this issue?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Davin
> >
> >
> > "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What's the URL that Web Help takes you to?
> >>
> >> There's already an MJPEG codec on the system. It should work.
> >> PapaJohn's
> >> suggestion might help you replace it if needed though, but that shouldn't
> >> be
> >> needed.
> >> AVI vs avi doesn't matter - the system is case-insensitive here.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Speaking for myself only.
> >> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >> --
> >> "John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> news:esWycIFZIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >I have a Canon S3IS digital camera which can take movies. The movies
> >> >show
> >> > an .AVI extension and (I think) use an MJPEG codec. After
> >> > transferring
> >> > the
> >> > movie files to my (Vista) hard drive, their behavior is erratic:
> >> >
> >> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Player. The WMP
> >> > error
> >> > message is: "Windows Media Player encountered a problem while playing
> >> > the
> >> > file". Clicking on Web Help reveals: "You've encountered error message
> >> > C00D11B1 while using Windows Media Player."
> >> >
> >> > - The movie files *will not* play in Windows Media Center; WMC says
> >> > "Cannot
> >> > Play Video - Windows Media Center cannot open the file".
> >> >
> >> > - If I import the files into Windows Movie Maker, WMM appears to play
> >> > them,
> >> > but the preview screen is black.
> >> >
> >> > - GSpot reports that the file is a Motion JPEG, and that "Codec(s) are
> >> > Installed".
> >> >
> >> > - The movie files *will* play using Canon's ZoomBrowser EX program
> >> > (came
> >> > with the camera).
> >> >
> >> > Related Info:
> >> >
> >> > - Both WMP & WMC play my .wmv files just fine. I also have one .avi
> >> > file
> >> > from a different source which plays fine.
> >> > - The file extension on the AVI files that will not play is .AVI
> >> > (capitalized); the file extension on the avi file that will play is
> >> > .avi
> >> > (lower case) -- probably does not matter?
> >> >
> >> > Will appreciate clues on where to look to solve the issue. Thanks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>